roger maris, hank aaron? those are the guys who lost their records because of the suspension of steroids, not -- i don't know if i'll get in trouble for this, i have to defend roger clemmens in this. the reason i have to defend him is because until this day, he says he didn't take steroids, and he's never flunked a drug test, and he went in front of two different courts and they both ruled in favor of him. who am i to say that roger clemens took steroids because he won some games after he's 40 years old. bonds admitted he put the steroids on him, sosa flunked a test. palmeiro flunked a test, let's talk about biggio and piazza and jack morris. >> yeah, that was my next question. let me ask the question, there were others on the ballot, catcher mike piazza as you said, the dodgers and the mets, craig biggio was on there, long time second baseman for the houston astros. and curt schilling. many say he helped the boston red sox win in 2007. the fact that they got shut out, does that surprise you? >> it does. at l